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Dm7 is unbalanced because a good team can lock down red area and then it's almost impossible to crack that (in competitive play)

I suggest adding a door to the back hallway entrance to make assaults on red easier
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Re: Choke points

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i suggest adding timeout
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the answer to that is simple, 7++. that's basically what that remix is based on, game flow, and why it's there on the pool. and btw from what I saw community did something else that just choke/defend the map, they actually played decoys, split attacks and other tactics. in general, I think they overall improved over the last time you meet.
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I agree that dm7 can be very camp-based when two teams who wants to win and are willing to wait to achieve it meets there. And i agree with admin that 7++ is a better option from this point of view. In order to basic dm7 I experienced an interesting alternative where red armor was placed in the center of rocket room. That quite helped to reduce camping in the lava room, and brought life and dynamics to the game.
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yes probably I could modify q3dm7 in some way at some point but right now it doesn't seem like the right time to make such drastic changes to the most single played map at the events (pro-q3dm6 comes first when adding up the variants, 6++/bloodcovenant). besides in any case any modification/change I could make there it would always be inferior to the custom 7++ remix solution that as I said it's intended to specifically correct that thus it seems kind of pointless to me. the right solution is simply that people pick 7++ instead.
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Re: Choke points

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map q3dm7 cannot be changed to make it more or less playable. only the removal of red armor and mega health would add dynamics. no other changes will do anything
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as I said although it's clear right from the start that no amount of tuning is gonna turn q3dm7 into 7++ there's still probably room for some adjustment and improvement for q3dm7 here and there. that being said, now it doesn't seem like the most appropriate time to start experiment/trying stuff at random for the sake of it with well established key points of key assets of the current ongoing tournament. particularly like this without a clear outcome and investigation.
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oKo*CTHULHU wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:22 . only the removal of red armor and mega health would add dynamics.
Lol what rubbish
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yes, that's clearly not gonna happen, I could probably try other item locations (as said, after deep investigation, for good reason not just like that) that could favor the game play but just removing the items it's clearly not a option. items are clearly a key element of the game.
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adminless wrote: Fri Nov 18, 2022 21:30 yes, that's clearly not gonna happen, I could probably try other item locations (as said, after deep investigation, for good reason not just like that) that could favor the game play but just removing the items it's clearly not a option. items are clearly a key element of the game.
What would make more fun is an extra item like let's say grenades top up

You know everyone would fight for it more than the ra