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Unbalanced teams

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I read the FAQ, but it doesn't really provide the answer to why teams are so unbalanced. All pro players are in the same team and all the noobs are in my team. Does that sound fair and balanced to you?
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unlucky, I think that this has been discussed/complained other times. some times it will work better, other it will work worse, but overall in the long run it's proven to deliver balanced games. it's just the way it's, the autobalance just can't work virtually on a shot basis so although most of the time it's gonna work good at the same there's always going to be some instances of imbalance.
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But the autobalance doesn't shuffle, I played 2 matches and was a part of the same team of noobs and we played vs veteran players and even veteran players complained by saying it was pathetic. I totally agree with that comment, it was indeed pathetic.
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NoobKilla wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:30 But the autobalance doesn't shuffle, I played 2 matches and was a part of the same team of noobs and we played vs veteran players and even veteran players complained by saying it was pathetic. I totally agree with that comment, it was indeed pathetic.
Sometimes it doesn't work

So usually let game play , then intentionally go and spec to force server to move top player from opposing team or second too to be moved

Then I join back the game on the losing side , as that's only fair ,

Cos

NO PAC NO WIN RIGHT ?
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btw the team balance works on scores not on names so regardless of the formation it might that the scores weren't as unbalanced as one could expect them to be besides just as wrote there's always going to be times when it just doesn't work as "expected". that being said, again, in the long run it's proven to deliver balanced games and there's no more that just taking a look at the stats to see that the majority of games are fairly balanced. it's just the way it's.
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adminless wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 12:38 btw the team balance works on scores not on names so regardless of the formation it might that the scores weren't as unbalanced as one could expect them to be besides just as wrote there's always going to be times when it just doesn't work as "expected". that being said, again, in the long run it's proven to deliver balanced games and there's no more that just taking a look at the stats to see that the majority of games are fairly balanced. it's just the way it's.


Ok but sometimes it's like 7-0 hence why I do it to force some change , maybe there's a glitch

Yes majority yes are balanced , but it often it happens one team has best players , score shoots to 5-0 quick
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Re: Unbalanced teams

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That's exactly what happened yesterday, we had zero wins, literally: zero, and the comment of one of the experts was "pathetic". We were total noobs. The game started with me making the first freeze, then you know how bad we were if I was the one making first freeze and the only one making it that round. I'm total noob. On the score after 1st round I was on top with 1 in my score and all zeroes below me. That was the first round summary. I think they won 10:0.

EDIT: just now, we lost 10:2 I think. Is that balanced?
PacMan wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 12:33 NO PAC NO WIN RIGHT ?
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btw as you brought this I just reviewed now your history at the main server under the nick NoobKilla and compiled these results:

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+------------+--------+-------+--------+
| gID        | winner | loser | result |
+------------+--------+-------+--------+
| 1685988062 |     10 | 2     | win    |
| 1685988656 |     10 | 8     | win    |
| 1685989248 |     10 | 8     | win    |
| 1686036757 |     10 | 4     | loss   |
| 1686039998 |     10 | 8     | loss   |
| 1686051429 |     10 | 9     | win    |
| 1686064962 |     10 | 8     | change |
| 1686067060 |     10 | 8     | win    |
| 1686068411 |     10 | 6     | loss   |
| 1686072796 |     10 | 3     | win    |
| 1686073580 |     10 | 5     | win    |
| 1686074650 |     10 | 3     | change |
| 1686136760 |     10 | 9     | win    |
| 1686137626 |     10 | 2     | loss   |
| 1686138238 |     10 | 8     | win    |
| 1686140807 |     10 | 8     | loss   |
| 1686156486 |     10 | 9     | win    |
| 1686157615 |     10 | 4     | loss   |
+------------+--------+-------+--------+
so long story short you just played here 18 games that ended with a score of 10:6.22 on average with a ±2.50 standard deviation (i.e. typically between 10:3.72 and 10:8.72). moreover out of those 18 games you even went to win 10 (55.56%) of them while barely lost 6 (33.33%) and two others were mixed/contested (11.11% change). so yeah those values just look perfectly good and what to expect from the servers to me even despite once again I insist the small sample so I don't see what you crying about here when you even have won most of the time let alone how you can come up to any sort of conclusion when you've just barely played here for a couple of hours in total.
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adminless wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 18:09 btw as you brought this I just reviewed now your history at the main server under the nick NoobKilla and compiled these results:

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+------------+--------+-------+--------+
| gID        | winner | loser | result |
+------------+--------+-------+--------+
| 1685988062 |     10 | 2     | win    |
| 1685988656 |     10 | 8     | win    |
| 1685989248 |     10 | 8     | win    |
| 1686036757 |     10 | 4     | loss   |
| 1686039998 |     10 | 8     | loss   |
| 1686051429 |     10 | 9     | win    |
| 1686064962 |     10 | 8     | change |
| 1686067060 |     10 | 8     | win    |
| 1686068411 |     10 | 6     | loss   |
| 1686072796 |     10 | 3     | win    |
| 1686073580 |     10 | 5     | win    |
| 1686074650 |     10 | 3     | change |
| 1686136760 |     10 | 9     | win    |
| 1686137626 |     10 | 2     | loss   |
| 1686138238 |     10 | 8     | win    |
| 1686140807 |     10 | 8     | loss   |
| 1686156486 |     10 | 9     | win    |
| 1686157615 |     10 | 4     | loss   |
+------------+--------+-------+--------+
so long story short you just played here 18 games that ended with a score of 10:6.22 on average with a ±2.50 standard deviation (i.e. typically between 10:3.72 and 10:8.72). moreover out of those 18 games you even went to win 10 (55.56%) of them while barely lost 6 (33.33%) and two others were mixed/contested (11.11% change). so yeah those values just look perfectly good and what to expect from the servers to me even despite once again I insist the small sample so I don't see what you crying about here when you even have won most of the time let alone how you can come up to any sort of conclusion when you've just barely played here for a couple of hours in total.
Your one hardcore dude lol

I think our expectations are to high lol we want 100% balance lol or atleast noobkilla does lol
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as I said, things just doesn't work like that and also to be fair as brought there let's acknowledge that, yes he lost 10:2 the same way he also won 10:2. it what it's, it goes both ways, and definitively out of barely 18 games a 10:6.22 average with a ±2.50 standard deviation at a 55.56% winning rate it's clearly nothing as to be crying about if not probably the contrary. those are just perfectly good results.
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Yes, but 10:2 was the 1st match I fully played, from beginning till the end. I think your stats show matches where I joined, played just one round and the game ended. I don't count those. I haven't played that many full matches, just maybe 2 total, maybe, but the last one I'm sure it was fully played from beginning till the end, all rounds. I quit the one where we were like 9:0 or something, it was zero, I commented: "it's not balanced" and then I rage quit. Perhaps magically someone joined in after me and turned things around, it's possible, since that match is not in the stats. Maybe that someone was PacMan, since "you can't win it if Pac is not in it" or something like that, right?

EDIT: I was talking about the match where we lost 2:10, not last one that I joined at the very end of the match, just last round LOL and the match ended. I didn't win I just played one round. They won, not me, I just joined there played for like 60s and it ended up 10:2 in a favor of a team I just joined 60s ago.

EDIT again: And there was another match I joined and they didn't even wanted to unfreeze me, the pricks, they were just passing by me, so I haven't really played it much, they probably won, but I wasn't playing.
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I know I can also tell from the stats that you quits most often than not (more than once each four games, which is quite high) so again hard making any sound statements when you claims that you only complete like one game each eighteen (i.e. rage quits 94.44% of the rest of the time). the stats are what they are, 18 games a 10:6.22 average with a ±2.50 standard deviation (i.e. typically between 10:3.72 and 10:8.72) and even a 55.56% winning rate. there's nothing to cry about that even despite I repeat in such marginal sample it would be statistical expected that there could be some variation from the mean but it's not even the case here just perfectly good values. it's not my problem that you don't honor the games in full and you missed the ggs. same as for the people not thawing you and the likes, that's life in a public server, nothing to be crying and/or rage quiting about just like that.
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When I see we're losing 4:0 or more I rage quit, ofc, why waste time when it's not balanced. And I do sometimes post in a comment that it's not balanced. I played just now, we lost, it was close by the score, but I played only 2 rounds and I think I managed to make one freeze or 2. Anyway I'm not complaining, it's free, thank you for providing the servers, but perhaps something can be done to enable auto-shuffling on the server? I played Xonotic, there's shuffle there, players can vote for it during play, F1 - yes, F2 - no.
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excuse me but no, you're indeed complaining and pushing a issue where there's really none (I just proved it with your own real data) and when I already politely answered you where this stands (sometimes it will work worse while others it will work better and not because of that you're gonna be completely breaking the game every other minute) and all that needed to be answered so let's call it as it's. you're not really adding anything here.
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Re: Unbalanced teams

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I'm not fully sure, but is it possible that you're angry for some reason? Or maybe I'm mistaken, sorry if that's the case.

EDIT: I didn't break anything, I joined late, that's why I only played 2 rounds, it was two last rounds.