hssnd ban

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do you think that hssnd cheats?

Poll ended at Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:40

yes
12
50%
no
5
21%
I'm not sure
7
29%
 
Total votes: 24

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So this video is work made by Lisa_Ann, not my job. Hats down, GJ. Watch rail shoot in 3:27.
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redrum wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 14:08 So this video is work made by Lisa_Ann, not my job. Hats down, GJ. Watch rail shoot in 3:27.
I don't think there's a problem with that. This is what the lamp looks like when the singleshader_1 command is turned on.

Singleshader command cant use in this game, only watch demo in wolfcamql. And WFQL have many shader bugs because it is made for
quale live, not quake 1.32

For "perfect" use must convert q3 maps to compatible Wolfcam.
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Not talking he shoots through lamp. Talking about perfect quater circle mouse movement before that shoot.
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I can only recognize that someone is cheating if they fry 100% LG accuracy in my face, but if someone is interested to investigate this bit more, then i uploaded now few videos where I was specitating Hssnd and some other top players of the server so you can compare his gamestyle to the other skilled guys. Although I must say that these are random games that I did not recorded in order to detect cheating, but let's say... for study purposes. :lol: :angel:



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After watching the demo 5 times, 4 times with shownormals 1 I would exclude wh. He is not tracking enemies with crosshair through walls at any point which wallhackers tend to do. I also didn’t notice any situations where he’s trying to frag someone through wall which also often happens to wallhackers. At 9:38 and 10:58 he even shoots a series of rockets when there is no one near that he could hit. The Serbo frag at 14:15 does look suspicious at first sight but not so much on shownormals 1. He was shooting with rockets even though Serbo didn’t move towards them. I think hssnd just rightly anticipated that enemy might be up there since they were coming from that side of the map but wasn’t 100% sure some one is there before connecting with a grenade. And even if we conclud that in this one situation there is a strong chance that he had ”glasswalls” thats still only one situation. You can’t be 100% sure someone wallhacks based on just one moment in the whole game.

As for autofire, though I’m not a specialist in all its versions, the only consideration would be a „colorbot” version of it since he ain’t shooting any of his teammates. 60-65% acc on rail is very high but not necessary af level. On 1.16 instagib servers e.g. autoshouters mostly had over 70% acc with some of them (that weren’t complete newbs) reaching to even 85+ acc. However hssnd does hit a lot of difficult rails on a rather unstable mouse movement. E.g. the Lylak frags at 14:50 and15:30 are instant rails with no to very little aim time. This requiers a lot of practice time and many years of expierience. But as an old instagib player I can confirm what Blaze wrote. You can become that good to hit no aim time rails on a regular basis. If he’s an old instagib player that could also explain his troubles on rocket jumps and shooting from other weapons. I e.g. have similar struggles to adapt from insta to aw.

All in all I would lean towards saying he’s not cheating, but it would be good, as Blaze already mentioned, that hssnd would come and write a few things about his background and experience in this game. From what I’ve seen in the past usually cheaters didn’t come to defend themselves after bans because they either didn’t bother and moved to another server, or just struggled to find arguments to present their game as a product of legit skill.
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Re: hssnd ban

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Is there someone here who spent more time on the server than 5-10 hours with the cheater at the same time? I noticed that a lot of people are talking about some instagib that has nothing to do with it. There is also mine about the aimbot. I don't know about aimach, so I don't comment. I've played with him a million times. His style of play is always the same, I stand in the center of the map and wait for my opponents. Yes, that's a good tactic. Especially when you can see everyone through the walls, it is best to stand in a "strategic" place on the map and control the whole situation. I have seen his reaction to uncontrolled situations like surprise. The guy didn't even react to the steps that were always heard before the opponent emerged. Nothing, no reaction as if it was playing without sound. I will also add, and now I do not want to sound like someone who complains, but I also had a million moments with him when I stand alone in some place and he suddenly turns from a sniper to a hunter with a rocket. On q3dm14 most often and now think. Why does someone whose game is 95% based on a rail and hiding behind a wall suddenly runs towards me to the door and kills me with a racket, while a few seconds ago 20 people appeared at respawn. Yes, it was a coincidence repeated every time I played the DM14 map with him. This is just one example.

There is more of this, especially on the q3dm6 map where the map is small and you can see who is where from more than one position. As for aiming through walls, it's probably just an idiot or a child using wallhack to aim at the opponent through walls. He would get banned for this approach to the game after two weeks. It was elusive for a very long time. He masked himself very well artificially firing rockets anywhere. He also denies rumors that he did not know about the existence of the forum. I told him about it on the server before the start of the new year (Before the match against WTF, I told him that they wanted him in the team community, we spoke Polish
) As for the Boones argument in which he says about the lack of explanations on the forum, the reason is always the same - He knows we know
. I would laugh at him if he suddenly created an account and started to explain himself. On the other hand, if he cared, he would have done it a long time ago. If someone had no suspicions of cheating, they would probably not get banned for anything. Lockouts don't come from nothing. I find it outrageous that for so long no one noticed it. Hope you can understand some of these google-translated excerpts. The guy was a 100% cheat.
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:think: Assuming that: "to conquer without danger we triumph without glory" would it be possible that "hssnd" be removed from the statistics (notably on FreeFun) so that those who deserve to appear in the List of rewards and in the ranking find their place real.

I'm not affected by this as I'm a poor mid-range player, but I find it unfair that "hssnd" is ranked number one in the leaderboard and for the various awards when he is suspected and/or confirmed to have cheated. :problem:

thank you in advance for taking this comment into consideration
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it shouldn't be necessary, the stats will purgue themselves in few weeks.
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@Adminless, yes for sure, but in the meantime he stays ranked and I find it unfair to other players who don't cheat and deserve those rewards.

That said, I understand that this would lead to an additional workload that you probably don't need given all the problems and other events you are dealing with...

Thank you for your answer
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I don't think hssnd is cheating. There are a couple of others that are way more suspect than him/her. He spams a lot along long corridors and gets some random hits now and then, his rail acc is below 50 % and he obviously has very good headphones.
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in my opinion is probably not worth it (I mean as wrote, he did not even bother in appeal it himself) but well as there seems to be some discussion added now a seven days poll to this so please vote and depending on the result this could be evaluated on February.
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@CTHULHU, I have no reason not to belive that everything you wrote is true. I would like to make it clear though that my post was refering stricly to the demo provided by Adminless because that is the official evidence that led to hssnd ban and not your, mine or anyone else's feelings, interactions and opinions about him which obviously can't be counted as evidence. As I said in the last sentence of my post. If hssnd won't come here and declare his innocence (which he didn't do so far as Adminless said) then I would agree that it's a strong indicator that he indeed wasn't playing clean. The demo itself however imho doesn't deliver 100% undeniable proof of him cheating. This is my personal view on this case.
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@boones no, you're wrong about that I do not only take a decision based exclusively on a demo that would be unrealistic. the people are as well witnesses and therefor their accounts of the events are part of the evidence itself. anyways we'll see how it turns out the poll the next week.
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@Boones Of course. That's why I wrote that I respect every opinion. Since he has been playing main / freefun every day since the new year, he should already give a sign. May there be no such people in the future. It has a bad effect on the mood as well as the game itself.
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@adminless yes, in principles I agree that statements of witnesses should be taken into account. The risk here is though that statements can always be influenced by the personal relationship of the witnesses towards the person that the case involves. That's why you often get different descriptions from people that saw the exact same thing. This is why I think that cold, hard and material evidence like demos, screens etc. have higher value than peoples opinions that are often based on emotions. But enough of my wisdoms already. :lol: