Glacius by default

[uZu]

The title says all
I'd like to encourage players to get on Glacius by default instead of going on server 1 or 2.
As some of ppl around, I don't have much spare time to spend on Q3 so when it happens I just want to spend nice good time having pleasant games and Glacius, with the added maps, is a neat choice.
So, support this and make glacius your default choice!

[adminless]

I agree that after all these years of community and with the full packages bundling all the maps glacius should definitivelly be played a lot more. unfortunatelly just like that without any kind of promotion or direct players involvement it's just not happening. btw all the good old metting schedules for Friday, Sunday and Monday nights are still coded into the server so people should definitively check those times in case someone missed them.

[FilthyPirate]

Lets make Glacius great again!

[PacMan]

Lets make Glacius great again!

Lol

[uZu]

So, despite the variety of maps, it's pretty harsh to gather people on glacius...
What do you think could help bring people over there instead of blindly go to servers 1 and 2?

[PacMan]

So, despite the variety of maps, it's pretty harsh to gather people on glacius...
What do you think could help bring people over there instead of blindly go to servers 1 and 2?

Default dm6 and being allowed to vote for map change

[Silver Surfer]

yes I used to like glacius on a friday Saterday nights it was fun but these days most of the OLD REGULAR players are not on here anymore
its full of SILLY KIDS full of Shite thats proberbly why the old players are GONE ?

[KevinKorani]

being allowed to vote for map change

^this

Also, please remove the 1min wait time to join a team from spec. At least for rounds where the teams are uneven, if that's possible.

In general, I think most people are deferred by sv_allowdownload 0. Not everyone has those maps handy, and this creates a barrier for folks to join.

Another idea would be to maybe have an announcer bot on the main servers, to notify if there are players on Glacius, what the current map is, etc.

What do you think?

[PacMan]

being allowed to vote for map change

^this

Also, please remove the 1min wait time to join a team from spec. At least for rounds where the teams are uneven, if that's possible.

In general, I think most people are deferred by sv_allowdownload 0. Not everyone has those maps handy, and this creates a barrier for folks to join.

Another idea would be to maybe have an announcer bot on the main servers, to notify if there are players on Glacius, what the current map is, etc.

What do you think?

Admin keeps saying no

But I agree with most of this, no real reason not to try this on a dead server right?

Download I assume will effect bandwidth, but maybe bandwidth should be limited

[adminless]

in-game auto download is absolute trash and it's a thing of the past that it's known to cause more problems than solutions as it has been explained plenty of times already (ex. it basically forces everyone to use the same files for it to work properly which is clearly not acceptable). as I said, it's been years already since the provided packages in this site bundle the whole package and they have been downloaded thousands of times so I can definitively assure you that at this point the issue isn't even the people not having the maps as I'm confident over a half of the regulars in the servers do have them yet people still avoid that server like the plague. truth to be told is that most of those maps require a lot more skill and experience to play and are a lot more competitive oriented and for the most part people still playing online is just looking for some quick casual fun games rather than the former something at what the well known pubs excels over glacius. glacius only had a chance once it was getting actively promoted by the own community and even so it just only really worked as some sort of semi-private custom meeting server rather than really a pub as for other than the people directly involved in the event it never received any attention beyond that. after over twenty years of running top public Quake III Arena servers I can tell you for a fact that that's the best a custom maps server can do. as for the joining delay that's clearly necessary to prevent people attempting to switch teams at random which is commonly abused otherwise.

[uZu]

I kinda agree that the problem is not the maps auto-dl.
It's true that most of the players don't even try to go on glacius and just stick on server 1 or 2. Since this thread, as soon as i had an opportunity to play, i went on glacius by default and the fact is that, except for 2 or 3 times, no one was there or come to join.
At the same time, a lot of players were on 1 or 2.
So, I can understand why newcomers or irregular users are going on 1 or 2 but idk why usual players don't even go on glacius. When You have only a few minutes to spent, typically 1 or 2 games, being alone on glacius is frustrating and so i do understand why some ppl don't go over there, but when i see players spending hours on 1 or 2 on the same day i don't get it.

[KevinKorani]

Personally I'm not deadset on changing sv_allowdownload to 1; just wanted to point out that this creates a barrier for people to join, which you generally wouldn't want to have if you want to populate a dead server. On a positive side-note, this could also leave out the riff-raff, so it's not inherently bad.

as for the joining delay that's clearly necessary to prevent people attempting to switch teams at random which is commonly abused otherwise.

I see the abuse potential in that, and I wouldn't suggest allowing teamchange at random; I was suggesting allowing "teamchange" (spec -> red/blue) at an instant only if the teams are uneven. You could still restrict players that are currently dead from joining spec, so that those won't be able to cheat themselves back to life by joining spec and back, no?

On another note, I don't know how many players do this besides me, but before I join a server, I look into the server monitor for players, where Glacius sits at the bottom with no players most of the time. Moving Glacius to the top of the list could mean more visibility for the server, especially when it's populated... Rather a minor issue, but it could still have some merit.

Also, what are your thoughts on allowing map voting, or the announcer bot idea, adminless?

[adminless]

Voting is similar to auto-download and that was also brought many times already accross the site. In the long run for a public server with so many different players it just causes more problems than solutions (ex. Vote wars, dm6 24/7, random maps, dm1 with 30+ players etc etc). Voting works great for private or private a-like servers where everyone is in a similar page not for top public servers. And yes I'm already aware that it can be limited but that doesn't really change what's wrong with it. As for the list and generalely speaking it's not the intention to force glacius into anyone that is simply not interested just like that so the server list is obviously displayed in order of popularity/interest.

[KevinKorani]

As for the list and generalely speaking it's not the intention to force glacius into anyone that is simply not interested just like that so the server list is obviously displayed in order of popularity/interest.

I wouldn't call it "forcing glacius" to people... it'd be just a minor trick to increase visibility, and anyone who doesn't want to join would still have the freedom to do so.

Voting works great for private or private a-like servers where everyone is in a similar page not for top public servers

glacius [...] just only really worked as some sort of semi-private custom meeting server rather than really a pub

So, one could argue that Glacius is rather "private alike", hence map voting would work great here (especially given the unpopularity), right?

I don't think it would hurt the server to have it enabled whenever the player-count is low; this would circumvent the problem you've mentioned earlier, no?

[adminless]

yes, glacius would be one such example for having voting enabled but the way it currently is it would probably be used for the wrong reasons as I'm telling you. if it would really have a population it could be a option but as a empty server voting would just be used there to either test random maps or simply to load the "good well known maps" and skip all the "weird ones" (i.e. to make it run pretty much as any of the other two servers). none of that would serve any real purpose for glacius. for the record voting is indeed enabled in the actual real private servers that overall in the long term they ended up being preferred over glacius. listing a death server at the top of a list it just looks wrong/non-sense to me, as can clearly be seen, people do know that glacius exists, that's not the problem, they (the vast majority) simply prefer the standard servers.