MAKAVELI cheating

[oKo*CTHULHU]

Ok, time for someone honest to speak up, because it's starting to distract from the topic. makaveli is a cool guy, but he probably didn't think much about the consequences of his actions. it's clear from the demos that the person being recorded is 100% cheating. I didn't even have to slow down time to find out. ( but i did it lol ). this person was also confirmed that it was actually him. for me this is even more sad, because I know him from the game and I would never suspect him of cheating. the demos sent changed my view of this situation. it turns out that the signals I received earlier were confirmed. I didn't do anything about it because I can't tell from the YouTube video that it was actually this person. in every such report the principle of presumption of innocence applies. after what has been presented here, it is clearly visible that the person being recorded is guilty.

now a counterargument for KF and Orgi69.

I downloaded the demo of this map from the forum, it is publicly available to everyone. in this demo you can see Ami using Lgun and aiming at dead opponents. I don't know if you turned on slow motion, but it's clear that this is not an aimbot. the crosshair behaves normally, it's not "trapped" on any of the opponents who are alive, nor on the body of an opponent who died. additionally you can see him aiming twice at a similar place on the map, behind a wall. it was enough to check, behind the wall he was shooting at there was no person (living or dead). this demo, on the other hand, is clean.

and now compare both demos (or youtube videos. of course youtube videos will never be a reliable source of information) to determine which of these people is the cheater. (I guess you'll do it now, or you won't even do it). there is only one verdict, makaveli uses aimbot and was caught red-handed. what's your problem with the person reporting cheating?? the way I see it, you're envious. or you try to change the subject of the conversation by force. you do not present any analysis regarding hard evidence, but you are able to blame someone else when it does not favor you. it comes to the same thing. this fact is really sad, more than makaveli who uses aimbot and does not even hide it.

[kf]

im not talking about an aimbot when it comes to ami. im talking about a triggerbot which triggers to colors, thats what i always did. his lg is shooting once to all dead bodies and even to the grenade which is flying there. maybe its green at his settings who knows?
but what i want to tell you by just showing you a short clip is that we cant proof it by just one action.
the video you upped by now is very suspicious i totally agree.

[Makaveli]

Guys it was an honor to be with you all. I cannot take this anymore. Even in this video (must be old) you can see that Im not hitting several times.
Ban me and everyone should get happy!!!

But do not blame my team mates or anyone that said something that defended me in this forum. Don´t want to have shit storm between all of you.

Just a short addition:
Im playing on a laptop via WLAN Hotspot. The WLAN Hotspot was given by my LTE smartphone until mid of October 2024. The O2 connection is very bad here in my city. Maybe this explains some weird looking scenes as packets drop.

Have nice fragging, Im tired, Im out!

[kf]

i really dunno if it might be really just looking so stupid because you have that many factors of having connection issues etc. i remember when you watch old games of osp for example - games from 2002 or whatever that you always have some packetloss moments, which might last a little bit more.
in this case you have the "packetloss" of the guy who is recording, the packetloss of server and the packetloss of maka. even if its unlagged i guess there can be some visible problems. you may notice that he doesnt hit at most of all, so maybe were just missing some frames just because of those connection factors. :O

[PUFF]

i really dunno if it might be really just looking so stupid because you have that many factors of having connection issues etc. i remember when you watch old games of osp for example - games from 2002 or whatever that you always have some packetloss moments, which might last a little bit more.
in this case you have the "packetloss" of the guy who is recording, the packetloss of server and the packetloss of maka. even if its unlagged i guess there can be some visible problems. you may notice that he doesnt hit at most of all, so maybe were just missing some frames just because of those connection factors. :O

I agree.
in addition, laptop with poor configuration -> missing fps.
the video posted by oKo*CTHULHU really looks strange, lots of random movements

[adminless]

I'm not really commenting a lot more because I believe that what has been said already looks enough to me. I believe that at least the auto target switching bot is obvious even without further editing in the initial stairs part of the cTh video. same shit as in the second dm7 fragment that I got submitted yesterday. nobody perfectly switches targets like five times in one second, much less someone allegedly experiencing an almost unplayable kind of connection and packet loss.

[nickaero]

First off, how can we be sure that the person in that dm8 video is really Maka? To be clear there is no doubt whatsoever that the dm8 clip is obvious cheating - the fact that you guys are like "well that does look pretty suspicious to me I guess" is pretty funny.

Second: the Ami clip is is very inconclusive, much more than the dm7 Maka clip. I will admit I have thought of WhoAmi as a cheater on multiple ocasions but I have never found anything conclusive against him, I think he just has great aim and really good movement aswell (cheaters usually have shit movement) and knows how to play Unfreeze to farm for frags - hence his big scores. Maybe he really is using triggerbot there or maybe not, it's not very compelling evidence

Third: In Maka's clip, at the RA pillar he is perfectly switching between 2 frozen bodies after killing the second guy, why did that happen? He couldn't react in time to stop firing the LG but could somehow do sub 100ms acrobatics? Seriously watch that again guys, his aim perfectly switches between 2 bodies for no reason.
He also locks onto the hitbox of a team mate in that second situation and NO he wasn't prefiring there, he was aiming more towards the left and as the team mate came into view he did a perfect flick onto the team mate and kept kitting it perfectly. All this in under like 250ms.

I have known Makaveli for a long time and we always got along very well, I want to believe he didn't cheat but unfortunately my eyes tell me otherwise. The ONLY explanation I can find atm is that the shitty connections of the person recording and Maka's somehow made the program interpolate the missing frames in weird ways that caused that appearance of aimbot

[nickaero]

i really dunno if it might be really just looking so stupid because you have that many factors of having connection issues etc. i remember when you watch old games of osp for example - games from 2002 or whatever that you always have some packetloss moments, which might last a little bit more.
in this case you have the "packetloss" of the guy who is recording, the packetloss of server and the packetloss of maka. even if its unlagged i guess there can be some visible problems. you may notice that he doesnt hit at most of all, so maybe were just missing some frames just because of those connection factors. :O

Fair enough but in that case how was he able to hit so well if his connection was shit? Maybe adminless can tell us if there is any connection problems in the demo

[kf]

the server is unlagged, so if i understand it right, it "simulates" lan ping. the shots of high pingers like champi for example will go delayed - in his pov he shoots at target, the hit will appear delayed. that means you pretty much can play "normally" when having ping 180 with weapons like rail or lg - instant hit weapons, while you still will have strong problems with rockets etc.
were talking about 3 suspicious situations when it comes to that dm7 stuff. the first what ive seen was a bad dodging enemy or lets say standing enemy at ra area next to pillars. the real deal situation is what happens at old mega. but also the enemy is in the air, you guys all know how easy it is to aim at players which are in the air with lg. yes, im also confused about his real strong stats at this point, but doesnt it need more than 3 situations? also nobody has his pov, because he did not record, so tell me how to proof it like 100 percently. i can also get 70 percent lg games or higher if i just shoot like 3 times when enemy doesnt really dodge... just saying

[adminless]

@nick assuming the cTh video was recorded at the servers I do not really have any instances of anybody impersonating him. moreover, as I already explained, if you look at the whole situation I don't believe there's a reason to make up that exist a conspiration to get someone like maka banned. the own people that reported him did so in a fair play spirit and even wishing it wasn't him so that doesn't add up. as for the network, it's hard to tell for sure, but at least those vids look smooth to me, I don't really observe any significant issues with them.

[i_cezar]

Dm8 is aimbot clear as daylight and dm7 also.
On dm7, perfectly locking on enemy (seems in both scenes in the same point of body around neck) after moving that fast.
I dont think one could move his mouse that fast to begin with, literally. Track on teammate is pixel perfect on yellow armor while both moving, switch to enemy is even behind wall then locks again.
On the mouse pad that would look something like accelerating from 0-100-0 km/h in 1cm of mousepad(estimation, but its wild anyway)

I dont think some ppl realize how fast those adjustments were, they were similar to the ones on dm8.
Maybe posting dm7 vid in normal speed would help.

Only thing is when a random event happened, on yellow armor, on his way back he bumped unexpectedly into an team mate. There his aim should have went of if he was legit, which it didn't, the lock persisted. But after a little while, it did went off. Was that a delay of some sort involved?

[kf]

but blaze when it comes to that flick (i guess you mean that one with lg at dm8 right at beginning) you see that he doesnt hit, i dont hear any hit there at least and also he might just got a real dumb packetloss which shows US that flick, but at maka screen it just stays there normally. but because of some issue it flicks away somehow, i cant explain really

[i_cezar]

There is nothing to explain on dm8 imo, it's shameless cheat. Even if it doesn't hit the speed is inhuman. Plus you can see it tends to lock also, it doesn't just move for fun.
Only thing there is to say, there is no "^" in the nickname

[kf]

when its shameless aimbot why he doesnt hit why does he always just have like maximum 2k netto, why do i always see marks on walls when there is a shameless bot which is locked? untill you dont have his pov you cant say anything for safe, you need his demos and not someone who specced him, if you have his record and his crosshair still locks like this i would fully agree, what is really weird that it mostly happens when he takes lg, like it would be starting to lagg maybe fps or whatever i cant explain, before it all runs smooth and than it really goes wild. i was searching for some old games on youtube where you see games which are recorded from gtv view for example, there you have like the same errors which i mean when i talk about that packetloss, sometimes players even warp through the map and it really starts looking the same like it does at that dm8 compilation.

[nickaero]

when its shameless aimbot why he doesnt hit why does he always just have like maximum 2k netto, why do i always see marks on walls when there is a shameless bot which is locked? untill you dont have his pov you cant say anything for safe, you need his demos and not someone who specced him, if you have his record and his crosshair still locks like this i would fully agree, what is really weird that it mostly happens when he takes lg, like it would be starting to lagg maybe fps or whatever i cant explain, before it all runs smooth and than it really goes wild. i was searching for some old games on youtube where you see games which are recorded from gtv view for example, there you have like the same errors which i mean when i talk about that packetloss, sometimes players even warp through the map and it really starts looking the same like it does at that dm8 compilation.

Bro the way his crosshair moves in the dm8 clip isn't human, but tbh im not entirely convinced that's maka anyway